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stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling

by engels, Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:17:31 AM EST

Democrats should and will regret the stupidity and illegitimacy of RBC ruling.
Expect this will be discussed everywhere, start here:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thisweek/2008/0 5/coming-up-gibbs.html
GOPs think that RBC gave huge talking points to McCain.

Stupid part:
50% cut is like cutting of the baby in half, which Solomon will object; but RBC people not as wise as Solomon, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of _Solomon

Illegitimate part:
RBC has no right to assign uncommitted votes to the guy who was not even on the ballot;
and RBC has no right to steal 4 delegates from Hillary and give it to the guy who was not even on the ballot.
In total, they decrease - illegitimately - Hillary's count of pledged delegates by 2 and
they increase illegitimately - Obama's count of pledged delegates by 29.5. If you will take
1722-1586 count from
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/democratic_delegate_count .html
you have to correct it this way:
1692.5-1588

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A Mind (1.75 / 4)

is a terrible thing to waste.

by parahammer on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:20:09 AM EST

Re: A Mind (none / 0)

Get over it. It's time for McCain.

Obama 08!

by comingawakening on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 12:43:32 PM EST
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Using your numbers... (none / 0)

Still looks like a win to me.

Can we move on to beating McCane now?

by NeverNude on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:20:15 AM EST

Re: stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling (2.00 / 2)

Obama supporters time out on this diary. He is trying to bait you.

Obama/Warner 2008

by MissVA on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:22:18 AM EST

Re: stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling (none / 0)

Except that a 50% cut was what was proscribed by DNC bylaws for jumping the line. While it is not a perfect arrangement, it is the one which stands the best chance of being accepted by the vast majority of the party.

by JENKINS on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:22:41 AM EST

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I'm so glad this issue's gone. Not even Clinton will talk about it from this point on.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:23:14 AM EST

Re: stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling (2.00 / 2)

Oh yes, she will. She already said this:
"The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. This decision violates the bedrock principles of our democracy and our Party"

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:30:23 AM EST
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Re: stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling (none / 0)

This is what the Michigan Democratic party's compromise position. Go complain to them if you don't like it.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:08:02 AM EST
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Re: stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling (2.00 / 2)

MI party cannot override MI voters. theyir proposal was illegitimate too. 40% were uncommitted and Obama was NOT on ballot and you canot take delegates from the winner and give it to person who was not on ballot. If you do that, you are behave as a illegitimate gangster - it is what RBC did.

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by engels on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:46:12 AM EST
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Good 'ol Engels.. (2.00 / 3)

Stay classy, buddy.

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 06:25:52 AM EST

Yay! (2.00 / 1)

Let the TR fun begin!

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:12:31 AM EST
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Re: stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling (none / 0)

In Florida- The Rules and By Laws Committee gave John Edwards who dropped out the race and endorsed Obama (13 Delegates which Edwards received in Florida). They could have given Obama all of the 13 Delegates Edwards Recieved in Florida. Better yet they could have tooken away 6 Delegates from Clinton and give them to Obama.
Hillary gets 99 Pledge Delegates in Florida. Obama gets 86 Pledge Delegates in Florida.

In Michigan which had their primaries before South Carolina. Edwards was still a candidate but the RBC did not recognized Edwards as the candidate. Based on Exit Polls. Obama got 75% of the Uncommited Votes in Michigan and Edwards got 25% of the Uncommited votes. Obama could have gotten 40 Delegates in Michigan. Edwards could have gotten 15 Delegates in Michigan.

by nkpolitics on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:37:20 AM EST

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exit polls are not part of democratic process.
obama was not on ballot - means RBC are very wrong

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by engels on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 08:49:13 AM EST
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Re: stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling (none / 0)

Even if we given Obama none of the uncommited Delegates in Michigan and Hillary half of the 73 Pledge Delegates she earned in Michigan.

Obama would still be ahead of Hillary in the Pledge Delegate count.

The Edwards delegates are most likely gonna go towards Obama as well as those Uncommited Pledge Delegates in Michigan.

The Rules of By Law Committe who were supporting either Hillary or Obama should have recused themselves due to the issue of conflict of interest. and better yet we should give those Delegates who are supporting Obama 3/4 of a full vote.

by nkpolitics on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 09:44:26 AM EST
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Re: stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling (none / 0)

are you RBC member? you making rules ahead of yourself...

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by engels on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:02:31 AM EST
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Re: stupid and illegitimate RBC ruling (none / 0)

I am just giving my opinion. which I am entitled to on this sight.
Had I been i member of the rules and bylaws committee. I would have reinstated all of the Delegates in Florida and Michigan. Given Obama all of the Uncommited Delegates in Michigan and All of the Edwards Delegates in Florida.

by nkpolitics on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:06:40 AM EST
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